Shortly after students unfurled a banner above Pardall Tunnel on Tuesday afternoon declaring that “Feminism is Cancer,” passersby congregated around the tunnel at UC Santa Barbara, forming several pockets of heated arguments.
Members of the student group Young Americans for Liberty (YAL) held the 16-by-4 banner above the tunnel for about two hours because university posting rules forbid fixing a banner of that size to the wall.
Members of the student group Young Americans for Liberty held the banner above Pardall Tunnel for about two hours on Tuesday. Vivian Bui / Daily Nexus
The banner’s text is the name of an upcoming lecture by Breitbart journalist Milo Yiannopoulos, who said on Twitter that his UCSB event “will blow your minds.” The lecture is at 7 p.m. on Thursday in Corwin Pavilion and is sponsored by YAL.
Students and faculty walked and biked under the tunnel, many stopping to shout at the students holding the banner, either in support or disgust.
“You have more balls than I do,” said one man as he patted a YAL member on the back. Another man said he supported the group’s message but feared being associated with them publicly.
Dozens of students stood on the Isla Vista side of the tunnel, arguing over issues including abortion, rape statistics and the definition of feminism.
Members of YAL hoped the banner would spark a conversation, but some observers said the discussions were hostile. Vivian Bui / Daily Nexus
YAL President Dominick DiCesare, a second-year computer science major, said the group hoped to spur a conversation about feminism on campus.
“What came from [the banner] is seven or eight groups of people having their own productive discussions,” DiCesare said. “I will admit it is Machiavellian by all extents, but the fact that it gets people discussing academically on campus is most important for me.”
DiCesare said Yiannopoulos is a “provocateur,” and so “it makes sense that the event’s advertisements would be as provocative as the event.”
Beneath the tunnel, many students disagreed that the banner resulted in constructive conversations.
“These people aren’t trying to have a productive conversation in any way,” said a third-year zoology major who declined to give her name. “There are two different groups that are having this conversation and they’re both just yelling at each other.”
Maria Velez, a second-year political science and feminist studies double major, said she planned on going to Yiannopoulos’s event to show her disagreement. Velez said comparing feminism to cancer is distasteful.
“I just finished being a team leader for Relay For Life, where the university raised thousands of dollars for cancer, and now [YAL] is using the term so lightly,” she said.
Several UCSB students responded to the banner on Twitter.
is the “feminism is cancer” sign supposed to be positive cause feminism is spreading or is it saying it’s bad cause it’s compared to cancer?
— Mica (@micapica96) May 24, 2016
Someone put a “feminism is cancer” poster on pardall tunnel.. I hate y’all
— sol (@_cacarot) May 24, 2016
what is this trash???? pic.twitter.com/nUv2giFGTk
— moy (@villegas_moy) May 24, 2016
Jason Garshfield, a fourth-year political science major and former YAL vice president, yelled to passing students from the top of the tunnel as he held a corner of the banner.
“Dr. Milo is giving out free cancer vaccines,” Garshfield said. “I can tell some of you have a strong case of feminism.”
While Garshfield said cancer is “not a perfect analogy” for feminism, he said that feminism “is something that spreads rapidly and is a parasitical movement.”
Garshfield said there are forms of feminism he agrees with, like legal equality for men and women, but he believes that the majority of feminists at UCSB are propagating false rape statistics and infringing on men’s due process rights.
“Before YAL came to campus, there was only one opinion that you could say,” Garshfield said. “Now, there are two. Moderates might say, ‘I don’t agree with those YAL people, but I do have problems with feminism.’”
One UCSB student encouraged bystanders to walk to the area above Pardall Tunnel and speak with the YAL members holding the banner.
“They’re not as crazy as they seem,” she said.
These same individuals showed up at the recent Women of Color Conference. Although their opinions were clearly intended to hurt others, they are unable to defend themselves in a debate or an argument.
They are incompetent individuals who purely say these things and take these actions in order to create fear and perpetuate the hierarchy of our society.
Lmao, sounds like someone got triggered.
Have you actually seen their actions. All they want is to start shit and then go like “Look the crazy lefts are attacking us!” If they or yourself want to trigger someone or a group go for it but don’t bitch and moan when people “argue” back.
Unless you’re a mindreader, it’s impossible for you to know that that’s their true intent. Yes, I’ve seen their actions, and I think they’re smart kids trying to make a difference. I’ve never heard them “bitch and moan” either.
Only people who are prone to being ‘triggered’ bitch and moan, and then justify their bitching and moaning on the ‘true intent’ of the people who have triggered them. They have a serious locus of control problem, and so necessarily hold anyone and everyone responsible for their emotional reactions, apart from themselves. They call this heightened emotional state, “arguing back”.
nailed it
Ive heard feminist bitch and moan though
Yeah, but we need to recognize the difference between a feminist and a feminazi. The original purpose of the feminism movement was equal rights among the sexes. Some other women just chose to perpetuate it even after the victory.
Nice. I doubt that people can hold a proper argument if they choose not to speak the same language and back up their opinion with real facts.
they start shit by saying things like ‘i disagree with you’ and ‘i dislike your movement’. if that triggers people, well…
“Look the crazy lefts are attacking us!” — needs a comma after “Look”; “lefts” should be “leftists.” — You are welcome, UCSB.
“Leftists” Implies far left.
Feminists right?
My my…the ad hominems in your post are remarkable.
And you accuse others of being “unable to defend themselves”? Why? Did they decline to call you names back?
Nice :)
Blacklivesmatter are a terrorist organisation
Wow. I can’t believe you think that? How old are you? Do you go to school?
Citation needed
you are probably wrong about this. have any evidence? because there’s plenty of evidence that anyone who shows up to protest milo is a hysterical lunatic.
‘Women of colour’. That and ‘people of colour’ is an idiotic phrase.
Says anonymous
Do we have hierarchy in our society? Most businesses and institutes will judge you based on your intelligence and your character, I can only guess that you are not very intelligent…
Some people’s kids….
…like having discussions about important issues.
“Discussions”
Yes, discussion.
It’s not exactly possible to make a convincing argument on a topic as broad as ‘feminism’ on banner, is it?
What they did instead is demonstrate that there are people who are very critical of feminism, and might lead some people to ask why that is.
A sign calling a movement cancer isn’t a discussion, it’s just name-calling. It’s designed to provoke an emotional response, not an intellectual one. Basically the strategy of a 14 year old.
The whole point of the article is that it prompted discussions, they were obviously successful in doing so. It’s not their fault if you can’t handle your own emotions.
Why is it a good strategy? That’s like me coming over and saying, “Hey A Classmate, talking to you is like having AIDS. Rebuttal?
“That’s like me coming over and saying, “Hey A Classmate, talking to you is like having AIDS. Rebuttal?”
Actually, it’s nothing whatsoever like that! Feminism is IDEOLOGICAL. It is about IDEAS. When you learn how to detach your ideas from yourself, you will also come to understand the distinction between attacking IDEAS and attacking a PERSON.
No it is the same. You are painting a wide variety of people with the same brush. You think every person who identifies as feminist has the same beliefs? Cool. Do you think all Christians blow up abortion clinics because one Christian did it? Christianity is an ideology, too.
Amazing that you are comparing speaking of ideological differences to killing for ideological differences. No one is attacking YOU. They are attacking the BELIEF you hold. The same way you just criticized Christianity, and the same way I criticize ALL religions, especially Islam. The problem is, you and others like you, can’t separate yourself from your ideology. You have made it such an integral part of your own identity that attacking it FEELS like an attack on you. Here’s a hint: Your ideology is not you. If feminism is shown publicly to be the destructive thing actual history proves it… Read more »
You are not getting it. Let me spell it out for you this way so that you don’t latch on to nuances that are not the point of the example. Your argument is this: (Noun) is bad. My argument: (Noun) actually means many things to different people. Your argument sucks because you don’t know what (noun) is. You don’t define (noun). In my debate, I have defined the term. Here is the argument (pro): Feminism is the desire to have equal rights for both men and women. Now that I have set the terms of the debate, argue to me… Read more »
ok. men and women have equal rights (at least in the countries that the lion’s share of feminists reside). therefore, their feminism is unnecessary. that was easy.
No, no, no. You said feminism is cancer. Meaning “the desire to have equal rights for men and women” is bad. Your argument is: That is bad. I am ready for your 2nd affirmation now.
What you fail to understand is that non-feminist people define feminism differently than feminists do.
…and that’s why you are wrong. You are saying feminists believe in xyz. I am a feminist and i just told you that I do not believe in xyz. So, that makes you and your definition wrong. That’s like saying Catholics believe in Jesus but that’s not true because us non-Catholics say they believe in Zeus.
Now you are mansplaining
…and I think you are trying to be Man-ipulative. Given how keenly you would point out any error, I can only assume ‘mansplaining’ is an admission that you can’t address the content.
I shall Man-shun you, and Man-go. I don’t think using a portmanteau with a prefix is always going to work to your advantage. There will be examples which will regularly drive you crazy.
Let me put it to you this way, what do you think of Menstruation?
Or maybe it makes your view about XYZ wrong, and not him?
That’s like saying “I may be wearing a swastika, but I’m not one of those BAD Nazis!” The words and actions of the majority of well-known feminists show a desire for female superiority, a disdain for masculinity, and the desire to make men pay all consequences and money for women’s bad decisions. We’re just telling you what we see. What I see is that feminists are bitter, fascist people who deeply hate men. If you’re not one of those, and you believe in equal rights for BOTH genders, then maybe you should start calling yourself a ‘humanist?’ Because, you know,… Read more »
How you define the ideology of feminism as a feminist is now irrelevant to anyone who identifies as a counter-feminist. Feminism now has extensional power in real world institutions, which has substantive effects non-feminists. It now an institution, hence its evaluation is against a harsher standard because it is now “The Man”. In calculating the sum total of human happiness, Feminism only factors in half of the population. This is like fighting a fire by spraying water on only the North and West walls of a building. One can no longer evaluate feminism meaningfully on how feminists define themselves, only… Read more »
Except feminism in reality, the social legal phenomena is not the dictionary definition. Do you also claim that north korea is not democratic enough because dictionary?
No, feminism is what I said it is. The belief that men and women deserve to have equal rights and opportunities. I am a feminist and that is what I believe. Do you also believe that men and women deserve the same rights and access to opportunity? Congratulations! You’re a feminist, too!
Too bad what you believe (the dictionary definition) does not coincide with the actual practices of the 3rd wave feminist movement. If you weren’t so blinded by your ideology you would see it. 3rd wave feminism has: Prevented talks attempting to deal with male suicide rates Fought against women having to sign for Selective Service before they are allowed to vote Removed wording in the rape laws that would hold women to the same standard as men Fought to not be held to the same standard regarding sexual assault of minors Forced Domestic Violence laws that force portrayal men as… Read more »
Your argument amounts to a child stomping their foot and shouting “I’m right because I said so!”
equality according to whom?
“No, feminism is what I said it is” – typical feminist. You don’t get to change the definitions of things whenever you want, just because you FEEL like it.
“Do you also believe that men and women deserve the same rights and access to opportunity? Congratulations! You’re a feminist, too!” BULLSHIT. That definition means you’re a humanist. Because if feminism is about equality for BOTH genders, why does it have ‘fem’ in the name??
All you can really say is that your feminism is what you say it is, unless you claim to speak for all feminists. Name one right men have that women don’t. It’s a trick question, because there aren’t any. How about rights women have that men don’t? Start advocating for the original Equal Rights Ammendment, and see how that flies among feminists. Some say that all the laws for complete legal equality were enacted by 1975. Whatever. Will you acknowledge that if legal status isn’t yet equal, then at some point we will reach parity. Will you also acknowledge that… Read more »
See but feminist dont actually believe that. Ive never a feminist say its unfair that women recieve half the sentences men do for the exact same crime
that’s not actually what feminism is, it’s just what they will say it is, loudly question: if you condemn communists, are you condemning ‘the desire to make all people happy and equal’? if you condemn pedophiles, are you condemning ‘the desire to make us and our child friends happy’? if you condemn rapists, are you condemning ‘the desire to relieve myself of this desperate need for violent sex’ i could go on; everyone gives themself some sugar-coated definition. I don’t like rapists, pedophiles, and even communists because their actions are wrong, bad, and destructive. I don’t like feminists because their… Read more »
You make the illogical assertion that feminism is about equal rights between men and women. Yet refuse to acknowledge the growing inequity that feminists in the media, courts, government, and institutions the world over routinely try to disadvantage men in all arenas.
Modern feminism = the desire for women to be able to do anything they want, and have no consequences whatsoever. Also, the inverse of modern feminism is that men are bad, to blame for everything – especially women’s poor decisions. You can say that’s not what it is all day long, but that won’t change the fact that the actions and statements of modern feminists illustrate those exact beliefs. The National Organization for Women has fought against shared parenting rights for decades. Being that that’s the case, how could you possible argue that feminists believe in equality? THAT is modern… Read more »
But you see feminism as a whole isnt about equal rights. Its a platform for women to complain and become superior to men.
Omg if feminism is so much about equal rights for both genders why is it called feminism? Why not equalism
In my debate, I have defined the term egalitarianism: it’s the desire for equal rights for both men and women. As women legally have more rights than men, then that means an egalitarian would seek for those rights to be equal across the board. Feminism continues to not request, but demand more rights for women, despite legally having every single right a man has and more, so therefore your definition that feminism is the desire to have equal rights for both men and women must be a falsehood otherwise feminism would be fighting for men’s rights more than women’s in… Read more »
No, no, no, Catreece. I already set the definition. You can’t change it. It is set in stone. I have framed the debate and now you are trying to take the picture out of the frame and put it in another frame. Very sneaky, Catreece. You can’t fool old Coin, though. I already told you I believe in equal rights and opportunities. Don’t go playing in the hay and building me strawmen. Your argument is this: Men and women should not have equal rights. Now, go!
Coin, one does not get to unilaterally set the definitions in a non-formal debate (formal debates have a supposedly neutral organizer setting the definitions to ensure they are not biased). First you must agree on the definitions of the terms, then you can debate. If an agreement cannot be swiftly reached regarding terms, then the debate centers around the meaning of the terms until a consensus is reached. Etymologically speaking, feminism as a term derived from the suffragette movement and has thus always held the connotations of a movement. This includes the belief in patriarchy theory. I thus put forth… Read more »
Except I already decided what it means. It’s not my fault folks used only three words on their sign. You left a nice big door for interpretation and I have already interpreted it. You have to debate it as I framed it. The end. So, why is it that you do not want women and men to have equal rights and opportunities?
is this really the level of argument you have
‘la la la i set the frame la la la im not listening’
you are why feminism is cancer. what is your behavior, if not 5-year-old behavior induced by a cancerous ideology?
Once again Coin, you’re another feminist that demands things be one way to conform to your sense of authority. Feminism is not what you defined, you don’t hold the power to cast a blanket definition on an entire movement, and your opinion holds no more water than the radical you claim to not identify with. Wanting equal rights is not exclusive to feminism. In fact, it’s barely a feminist ideology anymore. It’s basic human rights to have equal rights. I believe everyone has rights, while the feminism the world sees believes women should be in charge. By reading what you’re… Read more »
Equal according to whom?
This has got to be a troll. No one is this stupid.
Yeah I know right. Gotta be a bad joke.
If you choose to interpret “it”(the banner) in only one way, you are an idiot.
‘Your argument is this: Men and women should not have equal rights’
You are a feminist so of course you will claim that. What else would you say? Meanwhile in reality feminism is something different and declaring yourself a feminist does not give you epistemic privilege on defining reality.
No, that’s what YOU claim if you say you are not a feminist. If you believe in equal rights, then guess what? You’re a feminist, too! High five!
Both Christina Hoff Summers (sp?) and Paul Elam believe in equal rights. Are they feminists?
They don’t believe that you have the proper definition for feminism. Feminism 2016 is different than it first was.
How typical when someone disagree with you they’re sixust
Sexist
That is not how a discussion works. Maybe you should learn how children argue, they use simple words so that people are not confused and what they want is very clear. I don’t really know what you are trying to say.
Feminism is about controlling the male voice, as you are attempting to do. Feminism is what we experience it as. Control.
A Noun is a naming word. It means the one thing it names. How individuals use the whip does not alter the whip. Stop whipping us.
You define nothing but yourself. You are being over entitled. Women are entitled to nothing. Just like men. You are not entitled to define the world and you are not entitled to our service. You are not entitled to define men nor our experience of your demands for service and resources.
Equality, remember?
No, Bryan, Bryan, buddy. Did you miss the earlier discussion? Feminism is the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities. You are against feminism so you don’t think men and women should have equal rights and opportunities. So Bryan, why do you not want men and women to have equal rights and opportunities?
Why does feminism deny men opportunities through affirmative action and quotas?
Oh that’s an easy question to answer, actually: Feminism doesn’t do that.
Then, why do you think people think that? These are very smart people and they must have logical reasoning for the way that they think, just the same way you do.
Coin,
so you as a feminist think men and women should have equal rights?
Then answer with simple Yes or No to this questions:
1. Either draft for women too, or no draft – yes or no?
2. Right for men to ‘financial abortion’ – yes or no?
3. male genital mutilation (called ‘circumcision’) should be illegal same as FGM – yes or no?
Please, simple yes or no.
Baloney. Feminism is the bigoted intellectually bankrupt ideology that says that woman good but man evil. Feminisms wants women to have more rights and fewer responsibilities than men. ‘Equality’ is merely the sheep’s clothing for the hysterical hate movement.
I believe that everyone should have equal rights, but I don’t believe that men are privileged over women. Am I a feminist?
That is amazing. In our debate, we have set the term of feminism to mean people who salute and worship adolf hitler. Please defend this claim.
Oh wait, I don’t get to make up the terms of debate with certain words having a guaranteed meanong because language especially around ideology is more nuanced than that? Oh shit. Sorry.
“We” haven’t set the terms of anything.
You tried to set your terms like a four year old.
I reply in kind; “Go to bed!”
By setting terms to debate by you’re making it so you can’t lose or be proven wrong no matter what someone says. This guy’ keeps proving you wrong but since you’re wrapped in a nice shield of feminism idealology.
You actually just proved his logical assertion by outing your ideological stance. No where did he say men and women should not have the same rights. Only you did that. You also refused to argue his argument, rerouted it to a non-sequitur, and then made a thinly veiled accusation that is precisely derived from the ideological position he is arguing against. I’m no attorney, but if I was a prosecutor, I’m reasonably certain I could get a conviction on this. You have outed your own garbage. He does not have to prove your point. YOU have to prove your point.… Read more »
Feminism, as predominantly practiced (rather than as defined in a dictionary), is a movement whose aim is to advance what its participants consider to be the interests of women. Where those interests conflict with my own I reserve the prerogative to oppose measures taken to advance those interests at my expense. I invite others to join me in resistance. The students in this article were exercising their prerogative to oppose the advancement of others interests that conflict with their own. They were using a form of demonstration that that calculated would draw attention to their cause, and they were successful.… Read more »
corrections:
…advancement of others’….
…demonstration that they…
“Feminism is the desire to have equal rights for both men and women” – and therein lies the problem. Because men and women ALREADY have equal rights – in fact, women are a bit ‘more equal’ than men these days. So what exactly are feminists still fighting for? I’m asking a serious question. Is it to put a stop to the evil practice of ‘manspreading?’ Because if it is, I think you may want to re-assess your belief system.
I agree with you there. I watched a documentary about some women who just walk past men and scream “He raped me.” and then the guy gets arrested. Some are under the belief that all men just want women for their bodies or that they are pets, but then something changed. That same woman walked past another man and his friend and screamed that “they raped her”, to which the couple politely replied “Sorry, I’m gay and this is my boyfriend. I am in no way attracted to you.” Then they walked away. I guess the LGBTQ community undermines new… Read more »
Very well said!
The difference there: Separation of Church & State exists. Meanwhile, no separation of Feminism & State. So now we get Title IX, we get “Dear Colleague” letters, and Affirmative Consent laws, that do lead to the infringement of due process rights for all people, but it seems to especially target young men. You may not believe those are necessary, or you might believe they are essential. But at the end of the day they were the result of Feminist Lobbying. By not standing against it, and even defending it by saying “That’s not a REAL feminist”, you’re allowing the radicals… Read more »
do you not understand what an ideology is
i guess when an ideology is all you have, it begins to feel like part of you…
Guys, let me spell it out for you. I don’t need to refute your claims because all of them are imaginary. I only posted so that folks who hadn’t made up their minds yet could see how delusional you are and see an actual feminist say, “Hey yeah, actually we don’t do that. Don’t listen to these guys.” I’m a man by the way. I don’t know exactly why you all are afraid of feminism. I mean I can take a guess, but it’s different for each one of you I’m sure. Mostly, though, yeah, you guys have a chip… Read more »
“I don’t need to refute your claims because all of them are imaginary”
Translation: I am not able to construct a counterargument.
As you’ve proven with every post you’ve made here.
Nah, I just am aware that you guys are a bunch of Elmer Fudds and Yosemite Sams. You will only accept the premise that all feminists are some caricature you have developed in your head because you have some issues probably and your ego is very, very fragile. Every example you guys bring up is some laughable extreme. You’re too angry to be reasoned with and I want everyone to see it.
In consecutive sentences, you have asserted that “I’m Elmer Fudd”, and that “I caricature people”.
Oh the Irony! It burns!
Well your too childish to be reasoned with. So guess we’re even.
Is that not what you are doing?
You seem to know an awful lot about the commenters here. Have you been creeping around? When you say “we” who is “we”? You say “we” (feminists?) do not do that. Yet I can link to feminists who do do that, feminists who have extensive influence over social, legal, economic and educational policy. Maybe you don’t do that but you have very little influence in any of these areas. I can produce individual feminists in influential positions who have done every one of the things that you are claiming that feminists do not do.
And I could introduce you to MILLIONS of people who are feminists that are not the extreme you claim and are also in positions of leaderships. We can take a tour and you have to meet and shake everyone of their hands. But let’s be honest. That wouldn’t make a difference to you.
And for all the good they have done in policing their movement from being taken over by the “crazy’s”, they may as well never have existed for all the good they do. Feminism has been hijacked and stolen by radical extremists. The “coffee shop” feminists, who do nothing more than derive their feminist identity, like a sports team. The active feminists use them as deflection and camouflage. As for you, I get it. You felt you couldn’t get any female attension because you lack testostrone, so you decided to get off with the hairy interesting chicks by joining the SJWs.… Read more »
“I’m a man by the way” – AHA! It all makes sense now. You’re what we call a ‘white knight.’
Definition: A giant pussy who thinks that by worshipping women, kissing their asses, and doing anything they want will somehow get them laid.
So do you want to start a useless debate about that definition too?
White Knights are even worse than feminists. If feminism is a cancer, white knights are the chemicals that cause the cancer.
Lol. Yeah I have heard of “white knight.” It’s often used by “keyboard warriors” who don’t get much sunlight.
“Keyboard warriors? You mean twitter feminist?
That’s uncalled for! Sometimes they just want to roll over and have their bellies rubbed…
Your reason for posting here then, has backfired. I read through all these comments waiting for you to back up your claim or provide some education on modern feminists, from a feminist POV. And indeed, all you have done is stick your fingers in your ears, saying lalalala and pretend you’re arguing while you just continued to claim ‘No!! That’s not right!!” You did this without having an argument for why it’s not right because your belief that feminism means something it no longer does. You did all this while your rebuttal (to a well-presented argument) was akin to “you’re… Read more »
Well if we are being honest with ourselves… no one else is reading these. I just enjoy seeing you guys get so, so upset. I sit here laughing and thinking who would devote so much time to this and keep responding to me when it is clearly obvious that I a mocking you and I only read the first two lines of whatever you write? Me, it takes me two minutes to write these and then I go live my life. I don’t waste more time than that because I know nothing will change your mind. You’re like the street… Read more »
Dude, you disagreed first and then they just wanted to enlighten you on how you should actually live your life. They offer their hands to you so that you can live a better life.
Watch out the group thats is so anti-rape. Is now wishing for you to get raped, for being a woman that disagrees with them.
Your a man and a feminist? Im black im going to join the KKK.
Show me a feminist who doesn’t believe that “Patriarchy” or “Rape Culture” is a thing, and I’ll show you a misogynist who claims to be a feminist while he continues to uphold patriarchal values and perpetuate rape culture. They’re about as common as Christians who don’t believe in that “The Divinity of Christ” or “Hell” is a thing, and feminists regard them much as the vast majority of former Christians regard the latter.
For what it’s worth, though, I think Christianity and feminism are similarly divisive and poisonous. They both play on all the same narratives.
Yes
Ideas are open for debate and dismissal or acceptance, I do not like the Idea of 3rd wave feminism, which is what the sign is about. Feminism has ran it’s course in the western Civilization and should focus it’s original values, that being equality, towards the rest of the world where women are treated as 2nd citizens to not even being human at all.
I mean you saying would prompt me to ask why you fill that way.
Feel
And the current republican
presidential candidate
I guess you are the 14 year old because obviously you have not seen the rubbish and hate “feminists” spew.
Kinda like what feminists do about males of all ages every day in courts, congress, academia, and the media. Poor things. You mean they actually have to debate and argue their positions not just yell and scream? Awwwwwwwwwww. Everyone feel bad for them, and demand congress give them more tax payer dollars. Because oppression n some shiiite.
Well it is cancer, it has all the same characteristics.
I don’t think this is any more provocative than using phrases like “rape culture” or choosing names like “microaggression” to describe actions that are the literal opposite of aggression.
Can’t forget the horribly offensive misuse of the word “violence”! I’d love to watch you tell black people who lived through the 50’s and 60’s about all of the violence you’re subjected to every time someone says something that you don’t like.
I really want to see Milo. I hope what happened tonight at Depaul university does not happen here. (A bunch of BLM protesters rushed the stage Milo was speaking at and security wouldn’t remove them. Milo finally said fuck this university and left, saying he’s never coming back. )
Milo does not give hate speeches, he criticizes feminism and PC culture. If people dont want to listen to the opposing views of their ideologies, then they shouldn’t come and they should let the man speak.
“Criticizes”
Didn’t realize Based Milo was coming here! Can’t wait.
“Coming”
I have the honor of knowing these bright individuals. They know what needs to get done and they do it in the most respectful way possible. Can’t wait for the event :)
“Respectful”
“Anonymous”
If they really want to defend free speech, they should protest the UC Regents’ open assault on critics of Israel.
THAT would be a principled stand.
I’d like to post a snarky comment here but I’m afraid I’ll be expelled and possibly branded with a swastika.
“Post”
This quote commenter is my favorite person here
“Person”
“Anonymous”
Depending on the direction of your snark, that’s pretty much exactly what the Regents would do to you.
Would it? Because you know everything about Israel? Especially how it’s just AOK to stab Israelis, shoot Israelis, run over Israelis, stone Israelis, and, naturally, blow up Israeli pizzerias, dance clubs, and hotel ballrooms? I get it…. Can’t do that stuff in Paris. Can’t do that stuff in San Bernardino. But, yeah, Bill, let’s encourage that stuff in Jerusalem because you’re about peace, and those Zionists– dirty, scummy, Zionists– are about, what? Making you mad?
Poor Bill. Can’t stop bitching about Israel.
I’m inferring you are against free speech on campus for critics of Israel.
Is there anybody else’s free speech that you oppose? Feminists? Libertarians?
Seriously ,they are?
Can you show me?
They are expelling/punishing people for criticizing israel?
They are disrupting events where israel is criticized?
I’d like to see that.
Not that I doubt it, it has happened before, but I don’t know about UC, just want to know.
See the “Final Report of the Regents Working Group on Principles Against Intolerance” at regents.universityofcalifornia.edu slash regmeet slash mar16 slash e1attach.pdf (the nexus doesn’t like links in comments, so replace each slash with the / character and delete the space before and after) For an analysis of this report by UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh, google “Volokh anti-zionism” and select the first link to go to his article in the Washington Post. From Volokh’s article: ‘I’m ethnically Jewish (I say “ethnically” because I’m not religious), and I support Israel. It’s the one democracy among its neighbors, and for all its… Read more »
I’m taking a principled stand that SJP should choke on a bag of dicks. THAT would bring peace!
Brandon and the Young Amerikans for Liberty at UCSB are like any other sexist group – ignorant and afraid of positive change. UCSB should hold a rally – start a new feminist revolution during the General Election. It’s sleeping right now like a sleeping giant and only needs to be awaken by a few. https://www.buzzfeed.com/regajha/college-students-explain-why-feminism-is-important-to-the?utm_term=.gjj3QxlAn#.pw6xAlGn5
Brandon has nothing currently to do with YAL.
Very “educated voter” indeed.
The group had no valid thesis or reason to put up their sign. I asked why the sign was up and they explained it was because they were campaigning for their event BUT the time, date, or location of the event was clearly not posted on the sign. Therefore, the reason used to put up the sign in the first place made no sense. I directed a question towards the president and asked him to define feminism. And he could not answer the question. He had to take out his phone, look up the definition of feminism, and read it… Read more »
I see you carefully neglected to mention where the president pulled out his phone to get the complete and total dictionary definition word for word which you asked for, and then, when you proceeded to criticize them for not using the dictionary definition of feminism as it is the apparent right definition, you refused to acknowledge that the dictionary definition of racism or sexism o not match your definitions, and by this logic, you are being a hypocrite. And let us not forget when you directed a claim of “white privelege” towards a hispanic man born and raised in mexico.… Read more »
So, basically, another example of a feminist having zero scruples and zero honesty when giving an account.
Who’d have thunk it?
To my way of thinking, feminism is worse than cancer. Cancer may kill you, but at least it is honest.
hahaha, he told a feminist to relax in the middle of a temper tantrum? talk about poking a bear with a stick
It is “catchy”. So what?
Y’all should get deported.
back to Canada?
Provocateurs who desperately want to incite attacks on themselves to generate publicity. Don’t give them the satisfaction! Just neglect them and they’ll go away, like the Catholic extremists who brought giant posters of bloody fetuses to campuses.
Most likely the people who rush stages and threaten violence against groups like YAL are their own plants. Agents provocateurs are as old as politics, because they are successful.
Can I borrow your tin foil hat sometime?
To add to your collection?
No, to add to mine. I have one for every loonie I found and talked to. I take your tinfoil hat, make an accurate copy and tag with your name. It’s a good conversation starter in parties. It usually starts like this, people drink a lot at my house, get hammered and start to say they are crazy drunk, I point to one appropriate tinfoil hat and say “you are at least more lucid than this guy” and we keep going until almost everybody hits the floor. Then we draw stupid things the faces of the fallen with permanent markers.… Read more »
The material of which one’s hat is made has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not what he is saying is so.
It worked like a charm for Anita Sarkesian. You’re just omplaining because Milo does it better.
edgemasters so orginal
They didn’t invent the name of event, it’s just one of the speaker’s slogans. So I don’t know why you’re so butthurt.
I didn’t realize Garshfield was a theater major. Also, good luck getting a normal job after college. Saying something is cancer is the new “this is like Nazi Germany.” Now, I did some digging here, guys. According to Merriam-Webster’s dictionary, feminism is “the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities.” So, if you are against feminism, by definition, you are against equal rights and opportunities. Therefore, Garshfield doesn’t believe women should have equal rights and opportunities.
Look at the actions of feminism in the past few years – protest after protest of places and actions that would allow men to have the same “rights and opportunities” as women. Now tell me that dictionary definition is still true.
Feminism is an idea. Not a national organization. Whatever it is you don’t like, you are talking about specific actions by specific people. Why not go after those specific individuals or organizations that you proclaim want to take away rights? Do you think if a man who is Christian blows up an abortion clinic that then means Christians blow up abortion clinics? That is why the sign is foolish. I am a feminist because I believe women and men should have the same rights. That is the definition. So if I replace the word in the banner with the definition… Read more »
It’s an easy way out to blame it on individuals then claim authority over a movement.
And that’s what people mean when they say feminism is cancer, the collection of movements who defines themselves/each other as a feminist movement.
Same way when we say Christianity is homophobic.
Feminism is not an “idea” it is an “ideology”; and a “movement” as well.
Nobody cares about the feminist definition of feminism any more. It is now an institution, with extensional institutional power in the world over people who don’t share it’s Doctrine, so the only salient definition is the counter-feminist one. To be an ideology, you need a cental defining theory with predictive accuracy. If you believe a theory on faith rather than reason, it is a doctrine. From a counter-feminist perspective, Feminism is a Doctrine predicated on the innate definitional victimhood of women; that this is a problem, and that that problem requires a political social or economic solution. Historically, political movements… Read more »
I’ve never met a feminist whose ideology even vaguely satisfies the dictionary definition, which makes it somewhat irrelevant.
You just did, though. You met me. Now your argument is void. So now we can set the terms of the debate: Feminism means the desire for men and women to have the same rights and opportunities. Now you have argued against feminism, so let’s hear your argument on why men and women should not have the same rights as that is now officially your argument as defined by the terms in this debate..
Feminists want guilt by accusation for men and no prison for women no matter what the crime. They want quotas in air conditioned offices in top paying jobs no matter the individual competency but no quotas in the 3 Ds. Difficult, dirty and dangerous. Men can die while women have it all is feminism. Feminists want a ‘rape culture’ where there is none. Feminists want to reduce the male population to 10%. Feminists believe NAFALT is a rational argument. Now your argument is void. Your terms are a lie. You need to adhere to facts to debate. Feminism is a… Read more »
Hi! I am a feminist and here is my rebuttal: I don’t believe in any of those things you said I believe in. There. I have successfully refuted your argument.
Now, as I said before, feminism is the belief in men and women having equal rights and opportunities. I am for this. You seem to be against this, Bryan. So Bryan, defend your argument: men and women should not have equal rights.
Realize you are arguing with idiots. While some what cogent above below is a more typical post from Bryan. I have not edited or changed the below just copied and pasted it from. Bryan Scandrett Mod • a year ago I can’t finish reading that article – sorry Mark. The reason for male violence is women. Don’t give a fuck who bans what -it’s true. Over entitled selfish stupid destructive cunts operating from a sense of ‘logic’ that requires consensus to arrive at a course of action. Being bitches with no care for the cost to men is how they… Read more »
Hehe, I am aware of who I am arguing with.
This could be it! There is a feminist agreeing with you, buddy! Will this be the woman to take your virginity, as a reward for being such a good beta white knight?? Cross your fingers!!!!
Hi keyboard warrior! Did your mommy not make enough hot pockets today?
‘feminism is the belief in men and women having equal rights and opportunities.’
So if one were to believe in men and women having equal rights and opportunities they are a feminist? And if they also believe that men did not historically nor currently oppress women women, still a feminist?
And how do you explain feminism giving women choices and privileges that men have never had?
So if one were to believe in men and women having equal rights and opportunities they are a feminist? Yes. And if they also believe that men did not historically nor currently oppress women women, still a feminist? If they believe men and women deserve equal rights, they are still a feminist. If they believe men did not historically oppress women, then they do not know what oppression means unless you think being denied the right to vote (and therefore not participate in society’s decision-making) is not oppressive. If you think that being denied the vote is not oppressive, then… Read more »
Now we are getting somewhere. You now say that in order to be a feminist one must “…believe in men and women having equal rights and opportunities…” AND believe that men have historically oppressed women. It’s that second part, the one you have ignored until now, that is creating the controversy. The second part is probably some of what the students holding the sign consider cancerous.
So if you don’t think being denied the vote is oppressive, hand over yours.
‘feminism is the belief in men and women having equal rights and opportunities’
In reality, as opposed to your imagination, there are thousands of inequalities between men and women that feminism has zero intention of ever caring about so try again.
Yes, there are thousands of inequalities between men and women, and feminism has 100% intention of fixing them all.
When?
Right here, right now. Watching the world wake up from history.
As you say, you are “a” feminist, not ALL feminists – not even most feminists. Your lack of belief in any of those things is irrelevant, since you have absolutely no influence on the course of the feminist movement.
And you do?
…and you have how much influence over legal, social, economic and educational policies?
About the same as every other feminist.
The first two lines of what you said are a personal attack unrelated to the topic.
Just a few years short years ago MRAs such as myself we were saying “Feminism is a Hate Movement” and called “Misogynists.” Now look. Increasingly, more everyday people are just saying it.
Just because more people are saying it doesn’t make it any less true. You are a misogynist.
*more or less
Criticising a hate movement or even the poor behaviour of women is not to hate women and girls. You are a false accuser. Ergo, this feminist is cancerous.
False accuser= cancerous?
How?
Same way petter popof is cancerous.
A false accusation is nothing but a fraud, and a fraud is televangelists territory (also slander).
so televangelists territory= cancer?
that isnt an explanation thats just reusing the word
“because”
You are a misandrist.
To call feminism a hate movement is equivalent to say MRAs support violence against women, misogynistic views and they you must share the same view point as Elliot Rodgers who posted and supported MRAs
not really, i can found a feminist leader in this university who advocated violence against men because they are male, that men are inferior and violent because of their gender, who advocate against equal rights and so on.
You can’t find an MRA like this in the university this event is happening, much less a leader.
(but I’d still say the MRM is a tumor, not a cancer though, too small to be one, but let it grow and we’ll see.)
Elliot rodgers was a MRA believer he killed 6 but you point to a generic non specific point
Do you have any evidence that ‘Elliot rodgers was a MRA believer’ from a non feminist source? If the feminist sales copy about feminism being for equality were accurate and non fraudulent then they would have no problem with men having rights, especially considering feminism has given women choices men have never had.
All of the newspapers and news media reported it. Unless it is your premise that all the media is feminist except MRA. Is that what you are saying?
The world outside of feminism is much more diverse than MRA.
So every news paper is feminist, fox news is feminist?
I don’t care what every newspaper says (every newspaper that you read, that is); I use my own judgement. I don’t need a newspaper to do my thinking for me.
It’s very frustrating that this wasn’t answered correctly. It’s not really very interesting that all or most news outlets reported the same thing when we know that they tend to parrot one another (when it doesn’t conflict with the narrative that the particular paper might be pushing). They especially tend to parrot one another when talking about things that aren’t particularly well known or don’t have a large mainstream following. With this subject in particular, the mainstream media conflated MRA’s, “incel’s”, and pick up artists, tending to use them interchangeably when they are completely different groups. All of that aside,… Read more »
The non-feminist sector is enormous and brilliant and growing every day. All the best people are non-feminists.
OK – now we have expanded some more. In order to be a feminist one must:
1) Believe that men and women should have equal rightsf;
2) Believe that men have oppressed women throughout history
3) Believe that Elliot Rodgers represents the men’s advocacy movement.
They showed the posts. I see your “thinking” doesnt include using the truth. No wonder you think you can argue facts
Definitely false. Researched. Proven false. A typical Cultural Marxism-based hoax claim.
Oy gevalt! These schmoyos have really gotten it cut out for them! Let them have it people!
this is amazing,i can just imagine the faces of all the triggered little kids hahahaha
To say that Feminism is Cancer is offensive.
To Cancer.
They are right it is cancer, and its eating away at our society single parents are on the rise, marriage dropping like a rock, and divorce rates are sky rocketing. And this can largely be put down to feminism and the way it has been attacking the family unit for decades.
So no I don’t think the sign is distasteful, I think its accurate. The fact that no feminist had the balls to go and talk to them and just threw insults shows you exactly the type of people you are dealing with.
Do you have any stats and studies to show they are connected or are you just pulling that “fact” out of your ass. People made the same argument about gay marriage,divorce and many other ideas that they find objectionable. Thank you for stopping short of blaming hurricanes and earthquakes on them.
Keep up the good work and vaccinations Y’AL.
What is amazing in a supposedly free country and this story misses the real story, is the fact men AND women, are scared to show their dissent to this vicious totalitarian ideology.
Your career will literally be sent to the salt mines. Vindictive feminists can and will hound you out of what ever you are a part of as if Uncle Joe runs the country.
Ergo, feminists are cancer.
Please gather all the trigglypuffs tomorrow, I wanna see some crazy feminists tomorrow =)
The article got posted on Mens Rights webpages (like the ones Elliot Rodgers visited and posted on) most of the support for this event is coming from people posting because they saw it on those web pages (they hold many of the same views as Rodgers did). They are not worth responding to. Most will slither back to their holes if not spoken to
Elliot Rodgers did not have ANY ties to the MRM. None whatsoever. Mainstream feminists have been pushing that narrative from day one, but it’s complete and utter bullshit. It’s fabricated feminist propaganda, and is a very good illustration of exactly why Feminism is cancer.
Thats right try to distort FACTS, try reading any of the newspapers that reported on it. You cannot deny facts although you try.
Those feminists must have created the posts for him and posted them on PAU and MRA cites to discredit men.
Your comment carries as much weight as a holocaust denier saying that zionists made up death camps.
Newspapers said that Jackie was raped but now we know she is liar. So if something is said in newspapers does not make it true.
No Rolling stone said it and then retracted it. You should try looking at the whole truth not just the little tiny sliver that fits the narrative that you want
Why do you think the Media isn’t hammering this fact home them? Why do you think the Feminist establishment has largely stopped connecting the MRM to Elliot Rodger by now?
It’s because they know that story is bullshit, they know that they’d look silly.
You’re the only moron who hasn’t gotten the memo yet.
Of course because we have to run a PR smear campaign and smear the brand ‘men’s rights’ so that feminism can loot society for never ending privileges the political group ‘men’, a group feminism is the primary aggressor in creating and not feel bad about it. And feminism being the false accusation campaign that it is has no problem in falsely accusing people of being mens rights.
So every newspaper and news media outlet that reported on the incident is a tool of feminists? That is what you seem to be saying.
You are like a petulant child just saying no to facts because you dont like them. But no doesnt change the facts.
Media sources do not have to be feminist to be inaccurate and repeat feminist propaganda. The Elliot Rodgers was a MRA is naught but a feminist kafkatrap. The world outside feminism and the opposition to feminism is much more diverse than MRA and you need to learn to respect that diversity. And you can learn to respect that diversity by not calling people who disagree with you and call out your lies a petulant child.
I respect other points of view but you are basically saying the world is flat and that view is just as valid as the world is round.
Deal in honest truth then your views will be respected, act like a little kid saying no to try and change the truth and facts and you will be viewed as a child
Viewed as a child by you? Who cares?
Viewed by any rational intelligent human. You just do not like facts so you ignore them.
“Newspapers reported it” doesn’t make it fact, sweetheart.
Just drop that Elliot Rodgers shit…. it’s stupid.
Elliot Rodgers was obsessed with getting women as symbol of status, so it would make sense that he’d seek out places that promise you easy ways to get with them. He didn’t really find their method effective there, nor was he welcome there.
So you admit he was there and participated in MR online.
You need to try and have consistency of thought you cannot admit it in one sentence then go against in the next.
Sorry you dont like the associations that you choose. i wouldnt like it either if my group attracted this kind of person. But you do and are associated with him
Rodgers went to pick up artist site , to learn “game” so he could pick up chicks. it is completely unrelated to men rights activism.
PS. every reputable news paper that parroted the feminist claims about Rodgers has since retracted it.
what a perfect sign. i love it!
Awesome! We need more people with such balls.
Sorry but feminism is a disgusting evil hate cult that gas-lights the gender DYING the most. They lie about EVERYTHING and are the main reason we have generations of kids growing up without fathers. More families have lost fathers to feminism than to cancer. It is toxic to the core. Men suffer more from almost EVERYTHING, even rape if you include prisons but feminists always claim women are the ones being oppressed while men do ALL the hard and dangerous work in society while women do the most shopping. They have taken men working longer hours to pay for women… Read more »
Kudos to these people for having the courage to stand up against feminists. Feminism has become like a sacred cow. Even when it shits on your lawn, you not allowed to complain.
Being a UCSB alumna and former Chair for Relay for Life, I really appreciated the discussion regarding the use of “cancer” in this context. Even though I strongly disagree with YAL’s anti-feminist statement, I’m all for free speech and sparking discussions. Disregarding the fact that women comprise more than half the student population at UCSB (U.S. News), comparing feminism to cancer hits too close to home for many students and faculty. For the same effect, the group could have used terms like wildfire, contagion, parasite, etc. without offending/reminding fellow student affected by such a difficult disease. Having navigated my undergraduate… Read more »
“Disregarding the fact that women comprise more than half the student population at UCSB (U.S. News)” — Why do you think that is? Maybe because men have been so thoroughly silenced, attacked and marginalized, that they no longer feel safe in college? Or is it men’s fault, like it always seems to be? “without offending/reminding fellow student affected by such a difficult disease.” — Triggering. I believe that’s the word you wanted to use, but you avoided it. I wonder why? Is it because you’re aware of how disgusted the general population has become with these ‘awwww, my feelings are… Read more »
“and now [YAL] is using the term so lightly”
T R I G G E R E D
I thought they wanted to talk about important issues, not feminism.
Feminism is Cancer is a great way of putting it as it’s a tumor in our society that is there purely to demasculate, subjegate & push down anyone that happens to be born a man. They scream “fairness & equality” but they don’t really want fairness or equality they just want everything for women & nothing for men. If a man is raped or domestically abused/assaulted domestic abuse places won’t take him in & no-one will believe a man can be raped. or if a women is bashed in the street by a man Everyone stands up to stop it… Read more »
If you read “Setting the Record Straight on the Men’s Rights Movement” then your response will be “Oh, that’s why they call it ‘cancer.'”
The reality is that feminism is a meme – intellectual virus – that has infected far too many women with its lying propaganda.
I disagree. And I have a better ailment which is less triggering to those who would be actually suffering from it. Feminism is Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy